Although I so hope to do a better job helping those kinds of students fail less next year. I would help you out, but I don't have a degree. It's all about the papers and grant money. It's one of the things I like best about it. Data Security/Computer Security (gotta keep your data nice and safe), I'm just about to graduate with a straight CS degree. B.S in CS , now a jr software engineer doing front-end web design. On the other hand, didn't Facebook release a paper recently where they were using neural networks to compile or optimize code? If you are looking for a top-rate computer science degree that challenges you beyond the classroom, you should look at Dartmouth’s undergraduate computer science program. Sole developer for a manufacturing company, so I get to design and implement some fun shit. Do you still play? UX design gives me the freedom and power over a large product I need to make it great, in ways I couldn't do if I was working only on parts of it. Been doing software engineering ever since graduation. in Computer Science, now I am getting a Masters in Human-Computer Interaction. On the other hand, IT professionals focus more on using technology to support business goals while frequently interacting with others to … I've previously done embedded firmware, multi-tier system middleware, Windows device drivers, and device management GUIs. Really? This means I now a cross between an applied research, rapid prototyper and software engineer - essentially what many call data scientist these days. [–]biffsocko 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (6 children). Yeah... [–]ilove2dub 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (2 children), [–]intheclouds 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child). That means meetings. print_header, connect_to_database, and print_footer are used over and over again - the only new part of that is the "work on data" part. There's also a major data mining component to my research. Currently a professor at a university. Some algorithmic techniques (not many, but sometimes they make a critical performance impact), some knowledge about what works and what doesn't work in high-performance distributed systems, some statistics for analysing the performance of our systems. Jobs directly related to your degree include: 1. The use of the title B.A. [–]grumpy_technologist 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children). "Application Engineer" for a fortune 100 hospital corporation. For me, I learned everything I could about P&C insurance. [–]itkovian 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]PasswordIsntHAMSTER 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children). Forensic computer analyst 8. [–]mikuasakura 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children). Web developer - front and back end for a small, private, and most importantly fun company. [–]GalaxyHopping 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children). IT consultant 12. Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, Lambda the Ultimate: Programming Languages. The "technobabble" of IT doesn't touch how overwhelming medical terminology can get. But mostly it's just about good software engineering and a lot of experience and experimental validation. Didn't realize that was actually a thing. I did software engineering for several years, started a startup and built a product from scratch, and I've always done UI design throughout my professional life. Now I do software development at a bioinformatics startup focused on Next Generation Sequencing. Penetration tester 15. [–]madesense 158 points159 points160 points 6 years ago (57 children). After all, computers are everywhere: on your desk, in your pocket, and inside devices you use every day. But the reality is, high school teachers have much less leeway in how to handle things when students fail than college and university faculty do. [–]MoosePilot 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (6 children). My high school programming class turned me off of java for the foreseeable future. BS in comp sci and BA in art, did some FWA-style Flash stuff for a while for nyc ad agencies, now doing iPhone development with a similar focus on front-end/visual. Their tool development department was shut down and I didn't have the experience to stay on as a forensics person. 2. [–]moosemoomintoog 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago* (1 child). What you say is reasonably accurate. Up until that point, my payments had been on schedule or a day or two late. Graduated with 3 years of DOE internship experience and landed a job doing healthcare IT. [–]ha3virus 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (5 children). That being said, there are also a lot of jobs. I would be sad too if it took me 50 years to finish a major in CS. The most talented and influential people in my career were instructors. [–]SpongeBobMadeMeGay 135 points136 points137 points 6 years ago (44 children), [–]madesense 130 points131 points132 points 6 years ago (42 children). Nobody ever asked me about my degree on any interview and I went to a small CUNY school. I'm not complaining. It's a dream come true. … Each step I listed is usually not easy and takes a long time to iteratively develop. [–]ha3virus 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (7 children). 3. [–]Vahn128 55 points56 points57 points 6 years ago (17 children). Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. [–]somnophobiac 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]amazondrone 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children). And I understand it too. You'd be surprised what "adults" in college can be like... hint: They aren't responsible yet, regardless of the consequences spelled out in the syllabus. (2324₺ = 338$) You can earn 36000₺ (5244$) per year in Turkey. The good news is that once the key decisions are made, we'll probably be back to work at speed again and meetings will only consume 25% of my time. Worked with NASA, the FAA, an industry partners on a relatively small project of improving arrival efficiency under high demand. I focus a lot on software architecture. I am hoping to integrated correctness proofs into the mission critical code in the future, [–]skrenename4147 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child). I do a mixture of programming and server administration. I spent a cool month making chainmail and looking for a new job. Graduated May 2013 with a BS in Comp Sci and currently a QA engineer at a financial company. What's the difference between a ternary computer and a quantum computer? Not too long after I started, my friends left for lack of payment, which should have been my red flag to get out of there ASAP. [–]slightlycreativename 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children). fields, including algorithms, compilers, parsing, security/cryptography, graphics, networking, databases, and more. [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child). applications. Trumpet is a really hard instrument to play casually, at least for me. Undergrad Computer Science/Bioinformatics double major here! When I started my program, I was amazed how much probability and statistics theory there was in my computer science courses (stochastic algorithms and machine learning), and it was a huge learning curve. Please help I am 18 years old love technology but not sure which degree is best. If combined with a background in the social sciences (political science, sociology, education, etc...), you would have the ability to manipulate data and develop instruments for exploring phenomena that non-techies wouldn't. In most places, the people in the profit center make more and have greater visibility. They often suck. (I personally go back and forth between the two). Working at the NSA. I've been with that company now for about a month and a half. Maintaining software and fixing bugs is a pain, but developing concepts is always interesting and fulfilling. you'll work with some REALLY smart people. [–]bmwe30is 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child). [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children). BS in CS (IT and Algorithms & Programming emphases) and Math, currently going for a PhD in CS. Some physical activity sport or game, musical instrument or art/craft ... for some reason doing that stuff along side the deep intellectual pursuit really helps bring everything together in your head. After graduation in Computer Science from a state university in Texas, I took a job as a programmer doing desktop office automation. This is usually because millions or billions of dollars are at risk sometimes. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. My next goal for a job is software test, and at that point I will have heald a position in all of the critical technical functional areas of the software business. Please specify what degree(s) you have, your job now, and the tasks/ fields of computer science involved in it. Pay wasn't great but, it was a lot more than I had ever made before. Went back to grad school and focused on natural language processing. Not all need that expertise. Typically on linux or Unix machines. [–]denocturne 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children). Network performance, Primarily C++, but surrounding infrastructure systems are built in scripting languages. The office didn't stay open long (I was the only programmer and everyone else was administrative help) and they chose to keep me on but work from home. My biggest gripe is how most professors that do research don't give a flying fuck about teaching. [–]rezusr 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children). I now work for a research group. They purchase ready-made applications from vendors and then customize them for their … The IT degree cost less that the CS degree but can you make 100 K with an IT degree? [–]madesense 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child). You retired at 30. [–]NameOfThyUser[S] 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (1 child), [–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children), I think posting this to /r/askreddit or another more general sub is a good idea if you want to find out about people that have branched off from the standard BSCS -> Software Engineer track, [–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (4 children), [–]proskillz 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (3 children). My two biggest passions in life, how can I turn this into a career path? Software engineer at Google's DP&A team (Data Processing and Analytics - various parts of our team make MapReduce, Flume, Pregel, Millwheel etc. Starting a software engineering job in the fall. [–]gniark 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]scotty3281 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children). As a former orchestra violinist, thanks for putting that so succinctly, that it's difficult to play your instrument casually. The guy was just starting up his private sector business (his main work is dealing with international governement finances) so, the "company" didn't have a lot of funds. It can have the vague meaning of "researchy", where someone doing a BA does more research than someone getting a BS. Colleges in the United States reported awarding 71 degrees in this year alone. I can't talk specifics, since everything I work on is confidential by default, but we're doing something ambitious with many moving parts. My R&C studies taught me a whole lot of math that has helped me think better. I do analysis/design, programming, and maintenance on web applications and mobile applications for the University I attended. The base salary is about the same, but the bonuses are much higher on the investment banking side. Web designer 21. I am hoping to integrated correctness proofs into the mission critical code in the future. [–]MoosePilot 16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (14 children). I was lucky to find the security company opening an office and to get the work from home job. In my spare time, I've taught myself more about embedded systems, cloud infrastructure (I use a lot of Amazon's AWS services for work), database systems, and miscellaneous pieces of JavaScript, NodeJS, and hardware. [–]proskillz 48 points49 points50 points 6 years ago (8 children), You might get more of a response in /r/cscareerquestions. Our analysis of more than 1 million job postings seeking candidates with a Bachelor’s degree in Computer Science helped us identified six of the top options. My fiance and I had finally realized that we couldn't live where we were and also expect to get jobs in our fields. BSc in Computer Science from the University of Sussex. [–]rick2g 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (26 children). Archived. It's almost a monthly wage in USA :/. Now working as computer vision programmer. [–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children). Did no internships/relevant work in school. I worked in R&D at a defense contractor for a few years, then left to go to law school. I came here to make a similar comment and I'm glad to see I was beat to the punch. TL;DR: it doesn't really matter, the differences (if any) vary school by school. with real money!" [–]ReginaldIIIPhD Student | Computer Graphics 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children). If only I could get paid to write code in a language that doesn't eat balls. I was making enough to be able to move out of my parents place and rent a two bedroom apartment close by. Doing what I went to school for and getting paid really well! I'm a lead biomedical software engineer. I'm going into a two-year software development graduate scheme with a great company where I think I'll learn a lot. In the past I have worked as a developer, and I found that once I mastered the syntax of a language, I largely wrote the same types of routines over and over. [–]intheclouds 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (3 children). I love the industry, and the people I meet, but I'm not using my skills and looking to transition back into software. Good for you. I am broke and need the experience. 75% Upvoted. is like trying to convince a DMV clerk to give you a DL without a driving test. [–]robroy911zx 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children). Is it tough to get into automated trading fresh out of undergrad? Believe it or not, I'm using vbscript and powershell way more than any of the C++ and Java from my degree. BA in CS from a private college. I've tried to simplify it, but the actual business process resists simplification. I'm currently reading "Creativity, Inc." by Ed Catmull (co-founder of Pixar), and he's discussing the management of a creative business like Pixar, but I'm finding a lot of what he's saying goes for writing code and designing software as well, since writing code can definitely be considered a creative enterprise. The cool thing was our project was relatively small cost for big benefits, so it's easy to sell. Another option I considered was consultancy; I had interviews with a SAP consultancy company and a more general enterprise management software company - another option to consider perhaps. Web application developer (C#.NET), architect, etc. [–]freedomgeek 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]falsifian 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children). Passion is. After graduation, I worked in the industry for 7 years, mostly developing internal tools. On its own the vast majority of computer science jobs will lead to a job as a software engineer. As boring as "testing" sounds the automation comes with some decent "real" development. Have you tried putting hard caps on meeting session lengths or on the number of people attending? [–]acousticpants 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (15 children). We've also picked up some other web and app projects which are curently in the works. What Can I Do With a Degree in Computer Science? [–]calinet6 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children). Ignored emails, bullshit excuses, etc. Got lucky at a startup and retired at 30. An undergraduate degree in computer science will provide analytical thinking skills and training, serving as a foundation for any of the fields mentioned above. Any advice for a younger student in the field? Related Guides: 1. About 6 months out from my Ph.D. in CS. [–]sharkiteuthis 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (0 children). [–]Skizm 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child). I'm told attending these meetings and making plans and raising issues is called leadership. In investment banking, top C++ developers will earn between $175,000 and $350,000 plus bonus (usually in the $100,000 range). It was another stay at home gig working in C# and ASP.NET doing web applications. Gotta love the rush you get when you solve problems people don't normally see in live traffic. 5 years after graduation; 6 years experience total. Bachelors in CS from a state school. 1. report. Accelerate… Right out of school, while looking for a "real" job I took a job teaching programming at a vocational college. I'm going for an MEng in software engineering and have a BSc in Comp Sci. If SharePoint 2007 had a face, I'd kick it. On pseudorandom number generation given a probability distribution. At the end of the day everyone with a BS in CS is going to look equal on paper until they've shown off what else they can do. I'd definitely say it's more dependent on where you … However, in real-world environments, most companies don’t develop their software. And code is getting a lot lot more complicated. All the interdisciplinary stuff! Truth be told some of our meetings need to be much longer. It teaches you how to build software. I just feel like I'm more likely to get the latter in a college setting. If you made it this far, thanks for reading! It ended up working for me. I recently graduated so I don't have another job right now. [–]netgamer7 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]Sir_Blunt 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child). Work on some personal projects, contribute to open source projects, etc. What can you do with a degree in computer science and philosophy? A great place to live and vacation but, there is no tech industry at all. I started a company to build educational mobile apps. Sr. Software Engineer at a large silicon valley player. I’m going to be sad if robots take most of the jobs by the time I finish a major in CS lol. As a developer you generally won't find that at some tech companies or startup's. Know more than I'd ever thought I'd know about advertising... and sales. It's my first year. [–]271828314159 24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (2 children). I work for a mid-sized city in west Texas. I own a programming teaching company and work in a startup. I am a research engineer at Mozilla, working on the Servo project. Go figure. (self.compsci). I am planning on being a user experience designer after I graduate. People with a degree in Computer Science, what do you do now? Read the original free Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs (or see the Online conversion of SICP ). This is a difference of 26 over the prior year, a growth of 36.6%. I'm a lead biomedical software engineer. 1 . [–]Kalivha 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children). [–]kmarrocco 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]YourFavoriteBandSux 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children). Graduates can also pursue a master's degree in computer science to advance their careers. My software engineering hasn't been used much but it has helped me to understand and help troubleshoot some of the issues around memory management, job scheduling and communications in IOS, Linux and Windows that my less technically trained managers had never confronted. [–]vermaelen 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children), Just finished my 2nd year, starting a 1 year industrial placement this June, might go onto software development probably after graduation, [–]burdalane 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (0 children). [–]cyberbemon 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children), Bsc in IT & Computer science (yeah, that's what they called the course!). Since banks do pay well, if you are called off-hours, you are expected to swing into action. I have a BA in music (trumpet). We used real-time job analysis software to examine more than 146,000 job postings seeking candidates with a computer science degree and zero to two years of experience from the past year. High school may be it. If robots take the jobs of designing and programming robots then the rest of society is just as fucked as you will be. Now I make video games. I now consult for Oracle. The other option, I guess, would be to be a university professor and do research and write textbooks. In banking, there is a difference between Investment Banking and Consumer Banking. He had been commissioned to do some Android/iOS game art and was looking for a programmer. I completely agree. We have hard caps on meeting lengths -- someone else kicks us out of the meeting room. My friends and I found out a few months later that he had been spending time opening offices in another country and hiring people over there while we were all waiting for pay. Did my undergrad in CS and EE, and then spent several years developing various tools for microprocessor design (verification, CAD, etc...). [–]ajoakim 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children). It is not so fun because I have to work very independent on quite complex topics (which again is fun when I make progress). [–]Dev__ 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children). Work in an agile environment, steady pay at twice what I was making with full benefits after six months, and a place that was going to be able to really show me how professional development works: I accepted as soon as possible and moved my fiance and I across the bay. Part of the reason I decided against the phd. At least I didn't drop youtube or twitch quality comments... [–]Sail338 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children), teach at my highschool. What can you do with an Online Computer Science degree? 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